Comments on: Ortiz, Ramirez Named In 2003 Steroid List http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/2009/07/ortiz-ramirez-named-in-2003-steroid-list/ Thoughts from a Slightly Jaded Fan Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:24:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Edward http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/2009/07/ortiz-ramirez-named-in-2003-steroid-list/comment-page-1/#comment-616 Edward Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:37:22 +0000 http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/?p=1308#comment-616 How's that for a first comment? How’s that for a first comment?

]]> By: Edward http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/2009/07/ortiz-ramirez-named-in-2003-steroid-list/comment-page-1/#comment-615 Edward Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:37:00 +0000 http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/?p=1308#comment-615 What I want to know is: when do we finally come to terms with the fact that Canseco may have actually been pretty close to correct with his stats about PED users? Personally, I think I had my moment of awakening when Brian Roberts confessed to using. It lead me to believe that every other player who's managed to somehow sneak into an All-Star game has probably stuck a needle in his ass in order to get there. I think Dan Shaughnessy probably has it right, where all any successful team can hang their hat on now is that they outcheated the competition. http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/07/31/suffering_from_roid_rage/ While Ortiz is almost certainly going to have some trouble removing his feet from his mouth in the fallout from February's comments, I'm sure he'll end up bearing through admirably just like Pettitte. Unlike A-Rod, Manny, or Clemens, he's not an asshole, and the media won't hold it against him the same way they did for those others. On a related note: how many steroids "reveals" like this will it take before McGwire and Sosa and Clemens get inducted into the HOF? For better or for worse, this is baseball's steroid era. While guys like Jeter (in whom I put probably more faith than any other player of today in spite of my love of the Sox) managed to hold their heads above and still compete, it's probably time to recognize that when roided pitchers face roided batters, we should still recognize who's the best. Steroids won't make your off-speed stuff move more or your line drives escape gloves (inside the park, that is). All that said, I still am hugely disappointed in Papi. This hurts a lot, and I hate that it reflects on the WS titles, too. What I want to know is: when do we finally come to terms with the fact that Canseco may have actually been pretty close to correct with his stats about PED users? Personally, I think I had my moment of awakening when Brian Roberts confessed to using. It lead me to believe that every other player who’s managed to somehow sneak into an All-Star game has probably stuck a needle in his ass in order to get there. I think Dan Shaughnessy probably has it right, where all any successful team can hang their hat on now is that they outcheated the competition.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/07/31/suffering_from_roid_rage/

While Ortiz is almost certainly going to have some trouble removing his feet from his mouth in the fallout from February’s comments, I’m sure he’ll end up bearing through admirably just like Pettitte. Unlike A-Rod, Manny, or Clemens, he’s not an asshole, and the media won’t hold it against him the same way they did for those others.

On a related note: how many steroids “reveals” like this will it take before McGwire and Sosa and Clemens get inducted into the HOF? For better or for worse, this is baseball’s steroid era. While guys like Jeter (in whom I put probably more faith than any other player of today in spite of my love of the Sox) managed to hold their heads above and still compete, it’s probably time to recognize that when roided pitchers face roided batters, we should still recognize who’s the best. Steroids won’t make your off-speed stuff move more or your line drives escape gloves (inside the park, that is).

All that said, I still am hugely disappointed in Papi. This hurts a lot, and I hate that it reflects on the WS titles, too.

]]> By: Adam http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/2009/07/ortiz-ramirez-named-in-2003-steroid-list/comment-page-1/#comment-611 Adam Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:22:23 +0000 http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/?p=1308#comment-611 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2009/news/story?id=3911153 David Ortiz is a joke. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2009/news/story?id=3911153

David Ortiz is a joke.

]]> By: chester http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/2009/07/ortiz-ramirez-named-in-2003-steroid-list/comment-page-1/#comment-604 chester Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:43:27 +0000 http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/?p=1308#comment-604 This could be my prejudice against the Red Sox speaking, since I am a Yankee fan, but why I am not surprised that Big Papi and PEDs are now synonymous. Just like my perception of A-Rod, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, and other Yankees linked to PEDs, I am sure Red Sox fans cannot help but feel like Papi's best moments as a hitter are forever tainted. This could be my prejudice against the Red Sox speaking, since I am a Yankee fan, but why I am not surprised that Big Papi and PEDs are now synonymous. Just like my perception of A-Rod, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, and other Yankees linked to PEDs, I am sure Red Sox fans cannot help but feel like Papi’s best moments as a hitter are forever tainted.

]]> By: Adam http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/2009/07/ortiz-ramirez-named-in-2003-steroid-list/comment-page-1/#comment-603 Adam Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:28:37 +0000 http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/?p=1308#comment-603 i thought my first post didnt work which is why i tried to say the same thing again i thought my first post didnt work which is why i tried to say the same thing again

]]> By: Adam http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/2009/07/ortiz-ramirez-named-in-2003-steroid-list/comment-page-1/#comment-602 Adam Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:27:34 +0000 http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/?p=1308#comment-602 What I'm excited to see is how Sox fans respond to this. Obviously it depends on how Ortiz handles the situation. If he admits to it, some sort of pride will be kept in tact. Headline seen everywhere tomorrow: Roid Sox What I’m excited to see is how Sox fans respond to this. Obviously it depends on how Ortiz handles the situation. If he admits to it, some sort of pride will be kept in tact.

Headline seen everywhere tomorrow: Roid Sox

]]> By: Adam http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/2009/07/ortiz-ramirez-named-in-2003-steroid-list/comment-page-1/#comment-601 Adam Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:24:51 +0000 http://www.downswinging.com/wordpress/?p=1308#comment-601 What I'm excited to see is how Sox fans respond to this news. It obviously also depends on how Ortiz handles the situation. If he admits to it, some sort of pride will be kept in tact. Headline that will be seen everywhere tomorrow: Roid Sox. What I’m excited to see is how Sox fans respond to this news. It obviously also depends on how Ortiz handles the situation. If he admits to it, some sort of pride will be kept in tact.

Headline that will be seen everywhere tomorrow: Roid Sox.

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